For decades, the American Civil Liberties Union has battled in the courts on behalf of Americans’ constitutional rights, whether that means same-sex marriage or the right of neo-Nazis to hold a rally. But since the 2016 election, the A.C.L.U. has been changing tactics, and one of its models for the future is the National Rifle Association. Guest: Anthony Romero, the executive director of the A.C.L.U. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.



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